After a day of the world seeing with their own eyes some of the atrocities left by the Russians, how can NATO and the UN sit on their hands any longer?
@EL and all - I am beyond gutted by this, not just the events themselves but the ongoing insistence of America and other nations that they're so afraid of Russia starting WWIII that they're prepared to allow Russia continuing to repeat atrocities comparable to those documents in WWII.
I would like to think that Bucha will change the minds of TPTB in NATO, but I am sorry to say that at this point, the carefully calibrated and tardy response that has characterised the West, not to mention its loudly trumpeted cowardice, has already made the West complicit in said atrocities.
I can hear them today, trying like hell to waggle fingers, make more threats of more sanctions (if those worked, those atrocities wouldn't have been committed), call meetings, and threaten to throw Russia off the Security and Human Rights Council
Putin does not now, nor has he ever, cared about sanctions, threats, rules, the truth, and civilised boundaries.
He IS getting away with it. If the West had shown enough muscle in the beginning, the holocaust taking place in Bucha and Mariupol might not have happened.
Even if he doesn't "take" Ukraine, he's still enough to force the West to wince at itself in the mirror.
I'm damned if I cut the West the slightest slack here given that this is happening on its doorstep, and any success the monster gets is going to make his case, not just for himself, but for other states, like China, curious to see just how far the West is willing to let this go. The contempt for the West behind closed doors will embolden others down the line.
There is no excuse for letting Putin get this far without anything more than sanctions and a bit of economic anxiety, whilst Ukraine denies him the quick victory everyone thought they could bemoan but be shet of as done and dusted - but at a price it should never have had to pay. And if armed properly, that price, by all odds, would have been much lower and Putin defeated more quickly.
Put up or shut up, NATO, America, Britain, France, Germany . . . don't ever expect me to listen to you lot and your panto about "values" ever again.
Sky News is reporting an allay of Putin says the goal is to build Eurasia from Lisbon to Vladivostok. Perhaps now Portugal, to the best of my knowledge hasn't said where where the government stands on the war, will finally take notice.
I have updated the article for the day, and Bucha has changed the minds of many who sat on the fence. It is important to establish an independent war crimes tribunal for this war ASAP because the ICC is powerless except to investigate.
Praying that, with UK holding Presidency of the UN Security Council, the UK honours the pledge to ensure the Security Council resolves the war and that Russia leaves Ukraine.
I actually felt sick to my stomach reading parts of this EL, I can’t put into words how angry I feel. Thanks for recording all this in such a concise way, I know it can’t be easy for you.
I see this morning that Russian claims these atrocities were ‘staged’ by Ukraine or the Uk was mentioned too, but now CCTV and drone footage from when the Russians were occupying that territory have proved the bodies have been there since they have had control. There are calls this morning for Russia to be expelled from the UN.
Sanctions are not currently working as too many countries are buying the cut price oil Russia is selling.
The people are suffering in Ukraine as in any other country where Russia has been involved, such as Syria. Why do we always hope he will change, or maybe this was a one off, it’s not and he will never change, neither will the Russian psyche of backing him, they are too terrified to do otherwise.
@EL and all - I am beyond gutted by this, not just the events themselves but the ongoing insistence of America and other nations that they're so afraid of Russia starting WWIII that they're prepared to allow Russia continuing to repeat atrocities comparable to those documents in WWII.
I would like to think that Bucha will change the minds of TPTB in NATO, but I am sorry to say that at this point, the carefully calibrated and tardy response that has characterised the West, not to mention its loudly trumpeted cowardice, has already made the West complicit in said atrocities.
I can hear them today, trying like hell to waggle fingers, make more threats of more sanctions (if those worked, those atrocities wouldn't have been committed), call meetings, and threaten to throw Russia off the Security and Human Rights Council
Putin does not now, nor has he ever, cared about sanctions, threats, rules, the truth, and civilised boundaries.
He IS getting away with it. If the West had shown enough muscle in the beginning, the holocaust taking place in Bucha and Mariupol might not have happened.
Even if he doesn't "take" Ukraine, he's still enough to force the West to wince at itself in the mirror.
I'm damned if I cut the West the slightest slack here given that this is happening on its doorstep, and any success the monster gets is going to make his case, not just for himself, but for other states, like China, curious to see just how far the West is willing to let this go. The contempt for the West behind closed doors will embolden others down the line.
There is no excuse for letting Putin get this far without anything more than sanctions and a bit of economic anxiety, whilst Ukraine denies him the quick victory everyone thought they could bemoan but be shet of as done and dusted - but at a price it should never have had to pay. And if armed properly, that price, by all odds, would have been much lower and Putin defeated more quickly.
Put up or shut up, NATO, America, Britain, France, Germany . . . don't ever expect me to listen to you lot and your panto about "values" ever again.
Yes, friends, I am that angry. TC
Sky News is reporting an allay of Putin says the goal is to build Eurasia from Lisbon to Vladivostok. Perhaps now Portugal, to the best of my knowledge hasn't said where where the government stands on the war, will finally take notice.
I have updated the article for the day, and Bucha has changed the minds of many who sat on the fence. It is important to establish an independent war crimes tribunal for this war ASAP because the ICC is powerless except to investigate.
Praying that, with UK holding Presidency of the UN Security Council, the UK honours the pledge to ensure the Security Council resolves the war and that Russia leaves Ukraine.
I actually felt sick to my stomach reading parts of this EL, I can’t put into words how angry I feel. Thanks for recording all this in such a concise way, I know it can’t be easy for you.
I see this morning that Russian claims these atrocities were ‘staged’ by Ukraine or the Uk was mentioned too, but now CCTV and drone footage from when the Russians were occupying that territory have proved the bodies have been there since they have had control. There are calls this morning for Russia to be expelled from the UN.
Sanctions are not currently working as too many countries are buying the cut price oil Russia is selling.
The people are suffering in Ukraine as in any other country where Russia has been involved, such as Syria. Why do we always hope he will change, or maybe this was a one off, it’s not and he will never change, neither will the Russian psyche of backing him, they are too terrified to do otherwise.